tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post5531061078706252582..comments2023-08-04T21:37:16.987-07:00Comments on (Gay) Mormon Guy: SuicideDavidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03552740645279057549noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-87503581482052357032011-12-12T13:01:57.820-08:002011-12-12T13:01:57.820-08:00Anonymous: The gospel is clear in that I will be j...Anonymous: The gospel is clear in that I will be judged for the sins that I commit, according to my own knowledge and the <i>choices</i> I make. I agree - I will not be judged for things over which I have no control. I won't be judged for my attractions, or the bouts of depression, or other circumstances outside of my choices. But I will be judged based on the choices I make, and ultimately if I make the right choices, however hard, given the circumstances I face.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03552740645279057549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-45454707496286430452011-12-11T18:39:09.831-08:002011-12-11T18:39:09.831-08:00I have never agreed with the idea that suicide wil...I have never agreed with the idea that suicide will get you the penalty of loss of salvation. Many people who commit suicide have internal problems, imbalanced chemicals, etc. that they are not in control of. I'm LDS also, but I have a hard time believing that God would judge someone with those problems so severely as to keep them out of salvation. I had never thought of death as an answer, until last year when I became an insomniac for six months because of severe anxiety. The lack of sleep and constant panic attacks made me so sleep deprived that I became depressed from a chemical imbalance. I was also so sleep deprived that I started thinking about death. As a psychology graduate, I knew this was different for me and it freaked me out, so I talked to my therapist. I came out of this quickly after this because of medication, but I often wonder if I hadn't been a psychology kid, would I have realized my out of place thoughts? Or would I have started an obsession and eventually, not due to anything in my control, ended my life? Scary thought. I'm glad it didn't happen, but my own experience has made me a much better understanding. I cannot believe that Heavenly Father would cast us out for something that was due to a neurotransmitter malfunction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-54299482891913548722011-11-29T15:50:08.523-08:002011-11-29T15:50:08.523-08:00I love your blog.I love your blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-20822404817115013322011-11-27T07:44:29.370-08:002011-11-27T07:44:29.370-08:00Ryan:
The first time I read your comment, I smile...Ryan:<br /><br />The first time I read your comment, I smiled. The second time, I cried. I appreciate that it was positive, and the rest of this doesn't apply directly - just to the context. Sometimes I set myself up as untouchable. What am I doing or not doing that is alienating people? How much more transparent can I get? I'm sharing, imperfectly and without edit or review, about one of the deepest struggles I've had in my life, and showing a part of me that never sees the light of day. And yet, somehow, it's still not enough. People in real life tell me the same things you said, and here, where I share more, it still happens. Maybe it's my writing style, or something simplistic like that... but I don't know. Christ wasn't untouchable, and He was perfect. I'm nowhere near perfect, and yet I've encased myself from some people. (grits teeth)<br /><br />Thanks for the honest feedback.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03552740645279057549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-33358058987295851702011-11-27T07:29:09.223-08:002011-11-27T07:29:09.223-08:00Trev:
I know your comment was definitely sincere,...Trev:<br /><br />I know your comment was definitely sincere, and I'm grateful that you were candid. I'm hoping that the extra comments at the bottom and links to articles within the post were enough to match what you felt needed to be added to the post. Thanks for your feedback.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03552740645279057549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-33289736032344478022011-11-18T17:08:06.886-08:002011-11-18T17:08:06.886-08:00Thank you.Thank you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04039857046395528270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-40971360611657965392011-11-18T11:54:20.497-08:002011-11-18T11:54:20.497-08:00Some things cannot truly be understood unless they...Some things cannot truly be understood unless they are experienced firsthand. (Which is why there are so few truly gifted child actors, I suppose.)<br /><br />Thank you for your willingness to share your experiences with others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-82758624520418483492011-11-17T22:00:07.132-08:002011-11-17T22:00:07.132-08:00A few comments have highlighted the need to explai...A few comments have highlighted the need to explain the intended audience of this post. This post was not written for people who are looking for comfort or meaning in the wake of suicide of a loved one. That message is simple, as it is a question of judging others, and I encourage anyone who is looking for peace on this matter to turn to God and let Him judge. God is the judge of all men, and He takes into account all variables, because He is merciful and just, including hormones, brain imbalances, stresses in life, and everything else. Elder Ballard gave a great talk on that subject in 1987 titled "Suicide: Some things we know, and some things we don't know."<br /><br />This post was written for people who are currently or have in the past struggled with suicidal thoughts - and to people who struggle with those thoughts, the question is very different. The question is the current and future acceptability of suicide itself as an option in their own lives, and, as mentioned in Elder Ballard's talk, suicide is never the right option to choose. And while we do not know the final penalty of those who commit "self-murder" "...it is clear that no one can destroy so precious a gift as that of life without incurring a severe penalty."Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03552740645279057549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-16845274364542575292011-11-17T16:37:18.678-08:002011-11-17T16:37:18.678-08:00Having suffered from depression for many years, I ...Having suffered from depression for many years, I know what you mean. There were many days I went to bed hoping for something horrible to happen so I wouldn't wake up. Wishing I'd just stop breathing in the night and such. But, I think because my depression would really truly overtake me at times, I also did want to commit suicide. There were times when no amount of "no, it's sin" would help. I felt that I was such a bad person it didn't matter, I was going to hell anyway. Or at other times, I wouldn't think at all, all I could think was how I could die. And later, I'd think, I'm glad I didn't kill myself, but I hope if I had God would forgive me because I wasn't in control. Lucky for me, my friends always bailed me out. Babysat me, watched me, etc. Or my husband, once I got married. Also lucky for me, I finally got medicine that fixes my problem. I know it's not a chemical problem for everyone, and medicine won't help in those cases. It was just good to read this and remember how grateful I am to be alive.Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03135351793638653537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-40266880842107540522011-11-17T13:26:44.655-08:002011-11-17T13:26:44.655-08:00I wish I could explain to you how much your posts ...I wish I could explain to you how much your posts have been inspiring me. You are much better with your words than I am, so you'll just have to use your imagination! I am a recent follower, but I've gone through and read just about everything you've had to say. Thank you for being real, genuine and for sparking a light in me that has been slowly going out. Everyday I feel as if I have no one to relate to. I feel alone almost daily. I struggle with personal trials that I feel no one could possibly relate to. However, your posts are helping me realize that this just isn't so. We cannot be alone with the Lord by our side. And what better friend and father than Him? My days can get very dark from time to time and I sometimes ask God why I even exist. What is the point of continuing? Your posts show how much we can gain by putting our trust in Him.<br />Thank you for your messages of hope and love. No matter what it is that we struggle with, the Lord is there for us. He loves us and wants us to succeed in this life and return home to Him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-9036476809188350852011-11-17T13:13:52.622-08:002011-11-17T13:13:52.622-08:00Beautifully said. A perfect balance of real emotio...Beautifully said. A perfect balance of real emotion with the uplift of real hope. Thank you.Michellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16257277238236544458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-68868553415385395662011-11-17T11:46:21.150-08:002011-11-17T11:46:21.150-08:00It's good to see your vulnerable side. So oft...It's good to see your vulnerable side. So often you portray yourself as something untouchable. I'm sorry you have dark days but perhaps that's what unifies humanity: we all suffer and we all try to find a way to make life better. I'm glad you're sharing an "it gets better" message from a Mormon perspective.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03254088641908000934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-71562438619328932132011-11-17T03:30:28.443-08:002011-11-17T03:30:28.443-08:00Thank you for your post. I could not sleep tonigh...Thank you for your post. I could not sleep tonight and ended up chatting with a good friend who is in the hospital dealing with a serious health situation. He is a recovering addict, and facing the need for pain medication. I was able to share some parts of your post, and hope it will help strengthen him at this time.amersraehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16819596142600636799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-73487474079399372292011-11-17T00:18:27.444-08:002011-11-17T00:18:27.444-08:00Interesting, I don't remember the suicide less...Interesting, I don't remember the suicide lesson from primary. "Suicide is a major sin that will keep you from salvation"? Could you share your scriptural/prophetic sources for that statement? I've heard contrary views<br /><br />Consider, as the most basic place to look that I can think of, the following: http://lds.org/study/topics/suicide?lang=engTrevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03258097334170692217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-39400246351454514432011-11-16T23:46:48.890-08:002011-11-16T23:46:48.890-08:00It's nice to be reminded that I'm not the ...It's nice to be reminded that I'm not the only one who's suffered deeply, watching everyone else seem to get by just fine, and feeling wrong.<br />It's good to hear another witness that God really does keep us here with His love, and sometimes that's the only reason we stay - for Him.Emily Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-45396820300328104382011-11-16T23:05:38.824-08:002011-11-16T23:05:38.824-08:00Thank you for touching on this subject. I've ...Thank you for touching on this subject. I've been there and have only had the courage to talk about it . . . a little . . . with my husband . . . because he already knew. I would never take my own life for exactly the same reasons you named, but many times I wanted not to wake up. It was worth confiding in my husband and taking steps to overcome it and learning to demand less of myself. My Heavenly Father made all the difference to me because I knew that was not what he wanted for me. He really did form us for joy and he will let each of us know that he loves us. It is hard to see the light, the glorious light, at the end of the tunnel and we have to go on faith that it will be there. Because it really is. Thank you again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-31243286836615373022011-11-16T22:50:16.138-08:002011-11-16T22:50:16.138-08:00Love the picture you choose with this. And I just ...Love the picture you choose with this. And I just wanted to say, because of your blog I am more compassionate. Even though it is obvious, sometimes I forget there are more to people than we can see. And that everyone is experiencing pain that isn't often shown. Thanks for sharing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-87617623001896711352011-11-16T22:15:03.279-08:002011-11-16T22:15:03.279-08:00This was so beautifully written and was everything...This was so beautifully written and was everything I needed to hear tonight. Thank you for being so in tune with the Spirit and being such an example of faith. You truly touched my heart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-14698537251129159842011-11-16T20:34:57.822-08:002011-11-16T20:34:57.822-08:00God's love is still something I'm trying t...God's love is still something I'm trying to internalize. It doesn't make any sense to me. Thank you for the reminder.risshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13105760404189361066noreply@blogger.com