tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post7359732856772912129..comments2023-08-04T21:37:16.987-07:00Comments on (Gay) Mormon Guy: The City of Enoch and Female OrdinationDavidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03552740645279057549noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-37017640825674275752013-10-14T09:52:11.700-07:002013-10-14T09:52:11.700-07:00David, I loved reading your perspective on this is...David, I loved reading your perspective on this issue and agree with you. I admire your ability to read and understand the gospel. Keep up the good work. :)<br /><br />Regarding the comment by Neal:<br />The scriptures never say Deborah held the priesthood, only that she was a prophetess. Any man or woman who has the testimony of Jesus has the spirit of prophecy (Rev. 19:10).<br /><br />This last conference addressed the issue quite clearly, for me: Both women and men have access to the power of the priesthood by making and keeping covenants with God. <br /><br />Elder Ballard said:<br />"men have the unique responsibility to administer the priesthood, but they are not the priesthood. Men and women have different but equally valued roles. Just as a woman cannot conceive a child without a man, so a man cannot fully exercise the power of the priesthood to establish an eternal family without a woman"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09306546611361703517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-72225287447666464922013-10-11T12:02:35.650-07:002013-10-11T12:02:35.650-07:00Andrew -
I don't think that it was a thinly ...Andrew - <br /><br />I don't think that it was a thinly veiled attempt; Kate and the movement have been very open about their goals. My comments were based on Kate's personal remarks. I'll include them here. <br /><br />"this isn't really just about going to priesthood meeting... This is about the ordination of women to the priesthood."<br /><br />"We consider ourselves to be prospective priesthood holders and we want to go to priesthood meeting so we can show our leaders that we are ready for both the benefits and responsibilities of the priesthood. That is our focus."<br /><br />(as reported at http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865586996/LDS-Church-responds-to-priesthood-meeting-request-by-activists.html?pg=all pulled Oct 11 2013)Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03552740645279057549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-28252178021188775752013-10-11T11:19:34.862-07:002013-10-11T11:19:34.862-07:00Thank you for the respectful tone of this post, bu...Thank you for the respectful tone of this post, but I have to offer up a correction. The objective of the event on the 5th WAS to get into the Priesthood Session, not a thinly-veiled attempt at getting a bigger public image. I participated in it as a male ally myself and you're just misinformed if you think it was just a stunt. Also, I have to make the distinction that it was not a protest, but rather an event, an action. Andrew Ransomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12666335440313367466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-18865193305864022112013-10-09T22:04:43.746-07:002013-10-09T22:04:43.746-07:00I'm on your side!I'm on your side! Becky Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03733518903943141370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-35862563517396306602013-10-09T12:47:18.263-07:002013-10-09T12:47:18.263-07:00Thank you for posting this!!:) It was exactly what...Thank you for posting this!!:) It was exactly what I needed to hear!:)The Smiling Allenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15583702034098192307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-18460063494814505072013-10-08T14:31:11.351-07:002013-10-08T14:31:11.351-07:00This explanation of the gifts and sacred ordinance...This explanation of the gifts and sacred ordinances of birth and mortality through woman alongside the sacred Priesthood ordinances of salvation presided over by men in mortality, is the clearest and most harmonious I've ever read.<br /><br />http://mormonscholarstestify.org/1718/valerie-hudson-cassler<br />I absolutely love that our God is a god of order and love and has stated from the very beginning that "it is not good for man to be alone." We need male and female to receive all the blessings of mortality and eternal life.<br />Susiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00167237948804803231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-14910045146793607922013-10-07T19:37:34.982-07:002013-10-07T19:37:34.982-07:00While I understand where these women are coming fr...While I understand where these women are coming from with the desire to be equal in the priesthood to men. Women do not need to be ordinated to call upon it when needed. Being ordinated is only necessary in my humble opinion to running various parts of the church, the passing of the sacrament, and performing marriages. None of which I feel women really need to concern themselves with. I kind of think this is tied into the whole "Wear pants to church" movement. I have worn slacks many times without fear or being shunned. These women need to just accept that the church is how it is on the priesthood and leave it be. We have more important things to concern ourselves with in these days.Serin kNighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11474277371893165229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-71173773417340537852013-10-07T18:32:11.627-07:002013-10-07T18:32:11.627-07:00David,
What about Deborah? (Judges 4)
Most men w...David,<br /><br />What about Deborah? (Judges 4)<br /><br />Most men who have lived on the earth have not had the priesthood either. Only since the Restoration have all worthy males been given the opportunity to hold the priesthood. <br /><br />Women exercise the priesthood in the Temple, where they perform ordinances for other women. Also, in the early days of the Church women administered to the sick just like the Elders. So there are precedents for what they are asking.<br /><br />I don't see what they're doing as a protest as much as I see it as a petition to the Brethren to ask the Lord. Nealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03943975175380497835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-22217130696237995012013-10-07T14:58:48.468-07:002013-10-07T14:58:48.468-07:00Honestly, I think that women hold a significantly ...Honestly, I think that women hold a significantly higher place in the Church, and often in God's eyes and His relationship with them, than men do. Other than anecdotal stuff (which only carries with people who believe me already), most of the evidence I've found I reserve for the Celestial Room. Simply, in my mind God doesn't call the qualified. He qualifies the called... and supports each of us through angels (living and not) that enable us to better accomplish His will.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03552740645279057549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-70659156009192383892013-10-07T14:29:58.054-07:002013-10-07T14:29:58.054-07:00"I do not think that their ordination to the ..."I do not think that their ordination to the Priesthood is essential for their eternal salvation, or for the Church to accurately fill their needs as women."<br /><br />But do you believe that women are equal to men in the Church?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-41181902600103764952013-10-07T14:23:37.895-07:002013-10-07T14:23:37.895-07:00I don't entirely agree, but I greatly admire t...I don't entirely agree, but I greatly admire the respectful tone of your post as well as your scriptural support. If everyone took such a studied approach to controversial church topics, the prominent Mormon feminists wouldn't receive death threats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2780506856626441160.post-33451642565413639562013-10-07T14:17:06.729-07:002013-10-07T14:17:06.729-07:00Totally agree. If we ever think things are going ...Totally agree. If we ever think things are going to be equal between men and women, we don't understand that each have distinct characteristics. AMEN.Fishguttshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03341241565019533579noreply@blogger.com